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ufo might just as well stand for

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unprecedented financial opportunity

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be normal

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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine concepts events or

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers few preconceptions snark when

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justified no belief

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no debunking this is eisenhower at

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edwards and we are finally tackling the

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actually somewhat threadbare topic of

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eisenhower president dwight d eisenhower

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supposedly visiting with aliens at

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edwards air force base in early 1954.

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now we touched on this briefly in our

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the borderline science research

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associates because that's where this

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rumor initially started but we're going

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to look more at their actual publication

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that came out in 1973 of the

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documentation surrounding that and the

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channeled messages that followed and

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rumor the theory the claim that

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air force base developed

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so it's been a few years since we looked

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at mead lane and his friend gerald light

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who wrote the letter explaining what had

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borderland science research associates

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notes but basically this was an

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organization that was very much of a

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saucer phenomenon from the perspective

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of these ships not being from outer

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letter that a man named gerald light

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sent to meadlane explaining that he had

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been at edwards air force base when ufos

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had landed but in 1973 a booklet sort of

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spiral bound booklet called flying

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saucers at edwards air force base 1954

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soulcraft organization from about a

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gerald light said to me lane my dear

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friend i've just returned from murak the

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report is true

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of our personal and public lives i had

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their own world had indeed ended with

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various authorities and go directly to

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i had forgotten how commonplace things

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as dematerialization of solid objects

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has become to my own mind

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the coming and going of an etheric or

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spirit body has been so familiar to me

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these many years that forgotten that

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such a manifestation could snap the

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mental balance of a man not so

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conditioned

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i shall never forget those 48 hours of

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murak and so that's the story and it's

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pretty basic um

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there's nothing about

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agreements or we don't know any details

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about the conversation

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there's a sense that

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the government is going to reveal

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everything but we know that never

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happened it's interesting especially

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when we consider how things are going to

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develop in the future so at the same

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time the same date april 16th

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1954 that

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that um this letter was uh was was

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composed there's another letter or was

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received by lane another letter is being

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composed on april 16th by gerald light

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to send to meadlane where he's talking

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about the newsletter he's getting ready

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to send out to his readers gerald light

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had a a newsletter about etheric and

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flying saucer subjects

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and things take a very sort of political

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turn that isn't at all

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evident in the initial letter

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i am now preparing bulletin number two

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for mailing about monday i will add my

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testimony of the murak episode for

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whatever it may be worth and then go

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into some length about the big move of

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the commies to take advantage of the

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present public concern about the bomb

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my information is that a vigorous

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campaign will be started immediately to

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persuade america that communist

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domination is much better than total

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annihilation this will emanate from

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various groups of intellectuals who

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certainly have a case to present

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the purpose behind this campaign is

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something i was warned about nearly 30

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years ago its particular intent among

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other things is to split the country

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into as many warring sections as

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possible there is of course the ancient

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prophecy of america becoming a land of

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four separate nations or peoples these

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have sometimes rather simply been

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itemized as a north south east west

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division

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and anyone with an ounce of ingenuity

342
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can easily fan local differences into a

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terrible hate this is the time for a

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display of that christian idealism about

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which we are so proud lest the jungle

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consciousness in each of us destroys

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every vestige of our sanity i am working

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against the deadline to have another

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pamphlet on ethereum to serve as a

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companion book to sing skies when the

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news breaks next month and mob hysteria

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follows its traditional course

353
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this is just a hasty roundup of the

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matter as it stands now and i will keep

355
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in touch with you for further

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cooperation will you please send me your

357
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phone number it has vanished from my

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files and the confusion around here

359
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now until i received this and read

360
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through it a few times i had no idea

361
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that the edwards air force base stuff

362
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would would sort of be be dropped fairly

363
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quickly in this correspondence between

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light and lane we we sort of forget

365
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about the landing itself and talk about

366
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this

367
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the threat of a better red than dead

368
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campaign to dredge up that old phrase

369
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from the cold war that nuclear

370
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annihilation is a worse option than the

371
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communists winning but there is some

372
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some political stuff here that i was i

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was honestly uh honestly not expecting

374
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from here the book is going to go into

375
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some material about this with the

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channeled entities being uh being in

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communication with members of the bsra

378
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but before that i want to just give you

379
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a little taste of how some other saucer

380
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publications handled news of this there

381
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was a reference to the supposed edwards

382
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air force base landing in the very first

383
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issue of nexus jim mosley's first

384
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attempt at a flying saucer magazine or

385
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newsletter

386
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interesting of true department latest

387
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wild rumor from the coast is that five

388
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saucers landed voluntarily out there at

389
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an airbase and that the little men

390
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piloting them hung around long enough to

391
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be questioned by top brass the story

392
00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:33,360
goes on that ike made a secret visit to

393
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those gentlemen from space while

394
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supposedly vacationing at palm springs

395
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,800
we can't say that we believe this one

396
00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:40,480
but lots of rumors lately all point to

397
00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:42,160
the fact that the government does know a

398
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:44,079
whole lot more about saucers than

399
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they're telling

400
00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:52,790
seems to me to be a very sensible take

401
00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:55,759
on the entire topic from jim mosley as

402
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,160
is to be expected we're big fans around

403
00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:00,240
here as most of you know

404
00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:02,480
so then the book flying saucers at

405
00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:05,360
edwards air force base 1954 goes into

406
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:08,959
the channeling section which takes up a

407
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good three quarters of the book the

408
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first channel uh first being being

409
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channeled is ramon natalie

410
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and ramone goes into

411
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oh details about nuclear bombs and the

412
00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:25,519
hydrogen bomb and how it will mess up

413
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gravity and

414
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general

415
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sort of

416
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contact-ish kind of things and then mead

417
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:35,279
lane who is there taking part in this i

418
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:37,360
almost said seance in this channeling

419
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:41,519
session asks about the issue of

420
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:43,519
edwards air force base which is near

421
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:46,079
murak dry lake bed so sometimes what

422
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:47,759
you'll see in stories like this is that

423
00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:49,839
edwards and murak get used

424
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:52,079
interchangeably but it was officially

425
00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:54,320
edwards air force base by this point

426
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:56,320
even if people didn't necessarily call

427
00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:58,480
it that and another thing i should

428
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:01,519
mention is that we did get secret

429
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:03,600
recordings of these channeling sessions

430
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:06,799
but the channeled audio is a little

431
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:09,679
weird and glitchy and etheric as befits

432
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:13,120
ethereans so we are aware of the um of

433
00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:14,880
the of the

434
00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:17,760
effect that it seems to have and we did

435
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,839
our best to clean it up but we did

436
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,839
receive these recordings in a

437
00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:24,240
nondescript box from a man wearing all

438
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,760
black who called himself

439
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:29,280
he didn't call himself anything actually

440
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:31,440
it was very strange

441
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,760
have you been present at murak lately we

442
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,280
have been there many times and have

443
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:37,280
known what was going on there several

444
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,960
months ago there were certain things we

445
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:40,640
had to say to you but conditions could

446
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:42,320
not be arranged so we could get together

447
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:44,400
however it was better sound and i'm of

448
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:46,400
the opinion and i know all of us in the

449
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,000
inner circle are of the same opinion

450
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:50,000
that it would be wiser not to put any of

451
00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:51,919
this out to the public

452
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:53,679
that includes what is in dr light's

453
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:56,240
letter that is what i am saying

454
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:58,080
i believe dr light is intending to

455
00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:00,559
publish in some form a statement not all

456
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:02,240
of it was in that letter which i read

457
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:04,080
which perhaps you heard but there are

458
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,200
some portions of it at any rate

459
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,200
i would suggest that you and he arrive

460
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:10,880
at what you think is possible to certain

461
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:13,360
individuals and that will be enough

462
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,960
of course it's quite plain that what has

463
00:18:19,029 --> 00:18:17,280
taken place at murak will leak out

464
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:19,039
it is better sir than it leaks out

465
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:21,360
through somebody else

466
00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:22,880
what leaks out is almost certain to be

467
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:25,360
distorted misunderstood that is also to

468
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,320
be reckoned with that is correct i agree

469
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,240
but if you do give out this thing these

470
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,480
writings of good dr light it would be

471
00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:34,559
better that you send them only to a very

472
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,919
chosen view

473
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:37,679
that was my intention if we printed

474
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:39,360
anything at all after consultation with

475
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:41,280
dr light we would send it only to

476
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,200
members of our group our associates and

477
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particularly those who we consider

478
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responsible and i am suggesting that one

479
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:55,750
so you've got to be really careful you

480
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:58,480
tell about this but if you tell anybody

481
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,400
one of the people has to be desmond

482
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,799
leslie which presumably is how desmond

483
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,799
leslie got the information to tell

484
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:06,400
george hunt williamson

485
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:07,919
in valor

486
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:11,840
magazine so i guess they were okay with

487
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:13,679
telling a bunch of uh spiritualist

488
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:16,480
fascists who read soulcraft publications

489
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,520
about what happened mead also asks ramon

490
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:21,520
whether or not he thinks eisenhower is

491
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,400
sincere in his attempts to do what he's

492
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,480
trying to do and what kinds of pressure

493
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,840
might be

494
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:30,240
exerted on the president during this

495
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:34,160
very crucial time in human history

496
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,840
this man like all men of his kind in

497
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:37,520
your high government positions is the

498
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:39,200
leader or as a symbol of such in your

499
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,520
country they are always under pressure

500
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:43,919
they cannot act alone back of him in the

501
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:45,919
shadows stands such individuals as

502
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:48,480
bernard baruch and next a high roman

503
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:49,840
catholic church

504
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:52,160
these are the two main forces next in

505
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:53,520
line are the powerful dictators of

506
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,490
communism

507
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:57,360
[Music]

508
00:20:03,669 --> 00:19:59,919
so now we're getting into some fairly

509
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:03,679
deep conspiratorial waters of the 1950s

510
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,240
we've got anti-catholic

511
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:08,480
conspiracy we've got the powerful

512
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:11,440
dictators of communism but um sort of

513
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:14,400
head of the class is bernard baruch and

514
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,280
bernard barrack was an advisor to

515
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:19,200
president franklin d roosevelt during

516
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:21,760
the 1930s he was a powerful figure in

517
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:25,520
finance and politics and he was jewish

518
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:28,799
so we've and usually in the 1950s 40s

519
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,240
and 50s you see burrick's name being

520
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,240
attached to various shadowy

521
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,320
international finance conspiracy

522
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:38,000
theories so

523
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:39,760
yeah we can kind of lump some of the

524
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:43,120
bsra stuff in with this political

525
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,320
conspiracy system conspiracism

526
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,400
conspiracism is the word

527
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,039
i'm looking for so that was a surprise

528
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,799
to me because i didn't pick up a lot of

529
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,440
that in the stuff i looked at for our

530
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,080
previous episode about these folks now

531
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,360
the next question lane has for ramon is

532
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:03,840
whether or not communism will in fact

533
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,480
take over as an alternative to the utter

534
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,400
destruction of humankind through atomic

535
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,000
horror

536
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:12,000
there will be no such thing under no

537
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,840
circumstances will this take place it

538
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,919
will be russia that must go down and i

539
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,520
do not mean the russian people i mean

540
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:19,760
the communistic regime this is a deadly

541
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:22,159
force to the individual's existence but

542
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:23,440
so is catholicism

543
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,720
[Music]

544
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,240
the communists are bad but so are the

545
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,880
catholics right so it's

546
00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:32,880
it's tempting to sort of sort of

547
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,240
historically look at this and say well

548
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:36,880
anti-communism

549
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,919
and anti-catholicism do those go

550
00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:41,840
together or not because the roman

551
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:43,880
catholic church was fairly

552
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,360
anti-communist during the 20th century

553
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,280
on the other hand american right-wing

554
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,159
elements were opposed to both

555
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,720
catholicism and communism so there are

556
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:56,960
there's a ven there are various venn

557
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,000
diagrams overlapping here

558
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:02,880
also in the prognostication and prophecy

559
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:05,360
category lane has a question about

560
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,720
whether or not

561
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,720
things are going to go wrong in

562
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,799
southeast asia

563
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:12,720
do you foresee are being drawn into the

564
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:16,000
indo-chinese conflict armed intervention

565
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,919
no not armed intervention that's what i

566
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,960
do

567
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,720
i see great supplies and occasional

568
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,640
individuals advisors and those who are

569
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,880
adventurers joining up but as for your

570
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,600
country sending troops and such no not

571
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,240
unless china and russia join forces

572
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,640
that's not too likely though is it no it

573
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,559
is not because the chinese communism is

574
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,000
not on the same level as russian

575
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,000
communism and whether the western world

576
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,600
makes these facts known or not as of

577
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,440
little difference before the tsars and

578
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,799
priests of the russian churches were

579
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,559
thrown out the russian people lived in

580
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,120
total slavery communism as a government

581
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,960
has brought great relief to the masses

582
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,400
though it has also meant a great deal of

583
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,760
pressure to the individual's way of

584
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,240
growth remember the russian people are

585
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,320
almost entirely illiterate in those past

586
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,799
times now are largely educated at least

587
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,880
academically sound the modes of action

588
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,960
of the individual are greatly impeded

589
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,720
but its economic way of life is far

590
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,640
superior to what it was under the iron

591
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:08,960
rule of tsarism and the russian orthodox

592
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:14,870
[Music]

593
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,600
so that one didn't age well the united

594
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,280
states would be drawn into armed

595
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:21,520
conflict in southeast asia today we call

596
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:24,320
it the vietnam war but regardless of

597
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,600
what it's called ramon natalie did not

598
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:29,919
uh did not foresee that so here's the

599
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,640
big question are we gonna find out about

600
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,600
the aliens or ethereans or whatever you

601
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,039
want to call them

602
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,880
is president eisenhower at the moment

603
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,400
planning to release information about

604
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,000
the arrival of the ethereans in the

605
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,799
coming months he is but in doing so

606
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,960
providing pressure is not put upon it he

607
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,400
will have to be very careful how he

608
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,400
words his thoughts otherwise you'll have

609
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,159
widespread panic

610
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,159
i just wanted to ask if his so-called

611
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,840
rulers would allow him to express

612
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:57,279
himself as freely as he thought

613
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,480
advisable

614
00:24:04,950 --> 00:23:59,919
this will be up to him

615
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,430
so as we know from studying contacty

616
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,880
stuff for the last

617
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,880
gosh almost five years here on the

618
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,159
saucer life

619
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,240
sometimes the space brothers or the

620
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,240
aetherians or the aliens whoever have

621
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:18,880
some wisdom for us what are the odds

622
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,840
that people in charge would heed that

623
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,360
wisdom

624
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,039
is it your opinion that our governmental

625
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,640
authorities and also the great ones in

626
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,320
the world of science will conform to

627
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,159
ideas and restrictions suggested or

628
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,840
urged on them or commanded by the

629
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:33,200
aetherians

630
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,480
yes they will

631
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,480
so that research on the high explosives

632
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:38,320
will at least have some limit put upon

633
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,120
them

634
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,880
yes i do but in order to do this

635
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,640
catholicism will have to be taken in

636
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:44,400
hand it will have to cease as a

637
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,880
threatening faction against communism

638
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,960
i don't understand natalie what we'll

639
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,159
have to cease

640
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,520
constant threatening faction against

641
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,679
communism before any real lasting peace

642
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,000
can be made catholicism acts as a

643
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,919
constant irritant and will not let the

644
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,919
political leaders bring peace

645
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,520
do you think there is any power able to

646
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,440
enforce that upon the catholic hierarchy

647
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,679
without extreme violence it is in the

648
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,279
scheme of things that certain measures

649
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,880
will be taken by the aetherius to

650
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,039
disseminate the ideas of catholicism

651
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,279
being the only godly force on earth and

652
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,760
then destroy the teachings in using the

653
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,320
word disseminate you mean nullifying or

654
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:22,480
scattering the catholic dogma

655
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,870
and that's the end of the ramon natalie

656
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,480
part of this also that's not what

657
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,919
disseminate means but i think it's

658
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:37,919
interesting that we do have this thread

659
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,320
of anti-catholicism that emerges in this

660
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:44,080
channeled information that's going to

661
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,360
expand

662
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,240
from catholicism to christianity more

663
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:51,039
broadly when we come back from the break

664
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,240
and the

665
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,039
ramon natalie control is replaced by the

666
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,760
yada di shiite who is a different sort

667
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,200
of character

668
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,679
and then we're going to look at how this

669
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,000
eisenhower some snapshots of how the

670
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,559
eisenhower edwards air force thing

671
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,799
edwards air force base thing rather

672
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,039
developed over the years we'll be right

673
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:12,480
back

674
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,240
questions and comments about this

675
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:22,640
episode and then on the next regular

676
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:25,760
episode i'm not sure yet i've got a

677
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:28,720
couple options i think we're going to be

678
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:32,159
looking at bill moore's speech

679
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,840
at the mufon conference in 1989.

680
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,159
somebody threw it up online saying just

681
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,400
discovered the the text of the speech

682
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,760
from the mufon newsletter and i'm

683
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,440
sitting here looking at my hard drive

684
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,080
seeing my pdfs of it from like 10 years

685
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,320
ago and thinking is this new but i also

686
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,240
have the the audio of it it's a fun

687
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,120
story yeah i've decided i think we are

688
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:55,520
going to be doing that one now when that

689
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:58,640
next episode will appear is going to be

690
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,679
a bit later than usual june is very

691
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:04,320
packed and so we here at chizomedia are

692
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:06,080
readjusting schedules and reshuffling

693
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,360
and doing some planning we haven't had a

694
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,919
break in a while so um it's sort of our

695
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,279
mid-year break as opposed to our

696
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:13,760
year-end break so next week questions

697
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,440
and comments and then probably a week

698
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,279
off there's gonna be something coming in

699
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,840
the feed i'm not sure what it is but

700
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,679
it's not going to be one of our regular

701
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,000
episodes and then back on the regular

702
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,159
schedule after that

703
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,679
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704
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705
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706
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707
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708
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709
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,520
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710
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711
00:27:49,149 --> 00:27:48,159
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712
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,159
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713
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714
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:54,000
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715
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716
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:57,720
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717
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,360
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718
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,600
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719
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,399
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720
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:08,799
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721
00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:11,840
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722
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:13,640
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723
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:17,360
484-80 and now let's get back to the

724
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:20,050
yada di shiite

725
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:27,590
so the yada dashite really has almost

726
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,880
nothing to say about the murak edwards

727
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,120
air force base thing but we've got some

728
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:35,679
interesting information about communism

729
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,039
and the political machinations of

730
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,240
the planet and this is just i don't know

731
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,600
how many times i can say this i was not

732
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,200
expecting this and don't worry we're

733
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,640
going to get back to eisenhower and

734
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,559
edwards air force base and things like

735
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,960
that again but yeah not expecting this

736
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,720
at all

737
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,080
there is a great strain between

738
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,159
communism and the democracies but this

739
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,840
is because the political factions that

740
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,440
exist do not want the russian way of

741
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,279
life to be at all associated with those

742
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,279
of the democratic way because this will

743
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,520
lead to free thinking and free thinking

744
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:09,440
becomes a danger to those of you who

745
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,640
rule you

746
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,000
we have the inner circle have no

747
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:14,960
feelings about isms communism democracy

748
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,600
socialism fascism they're all isms and

749
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,440
they're not worth a damn there's only

750
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,320
one and only one that is worthwhile for

751
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,159
man's growth and that is the ism of

752
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,799
understanding of love which gives the

753
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,120
whole human race a chance to grow

754
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,120
christianity has never given anything to

755
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,600
the people as it is it has caused more

756
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:35,679
war more bloodshed than anything else we

757
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,240
know of if it were not for catholicism

758
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:40,080
communism and the democracies could get

759
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:49,269
so once again catholicism is the problem

760
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:52,880
but communism is bad too but not as bad

761
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:56,480
as not just catholicism but

762
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,039
everything associated with catholicism

763
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,520
communism one can get over it is a mild

764
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,679
ailment but catholicism in the whole

765
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,919
christian religion as it is and has been

766
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,360
for several hundreds and hundreds of

767
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,600
years is a very deadly disease eating

768
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,360
like cancer the brain and controlling

769
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:16,000
the mind there is no escape from it even

770
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,090
into the what you call death state

771
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:22,559
[Music]

772
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,760
the anti-catholicism and

773
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,240
anti-christianity seems a little a

774
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,720
little extreme compared to some contact

775
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,679
east stuff but it does kind of seem in

776
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,240
line with some of the more politically

777
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,720
extreme spiritualism that we've seen

778
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,279
especially from william dudley pele who

779
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,320
of course claimed a christian viewpoint

780
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,279
but developed a spiritual tradition that

781
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,159
bore only a slight sort of passing

782
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,399
resemblance to christianity and sort of

783
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,200
round out our coverage of the yada di

784
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,120
shiite we've got we've had the

785
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:56,960
anti-catholicism we had the

786
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:00,080
anti-communism now let's have a little

787
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:03,919
bit of anti-semitism cloaked in concern

788
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:07,039
about the arab-israeli conflict

789
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,559
we read much of the arab trouble with

790
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,320
the jews and of course our papers over

791
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,080
here aren't allowed to give us the arab

792
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,919
side of it only the jewish side because

793
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,919
of the power money and advertising such

794
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:18,000
as you know what is the actual condition

795
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:19,440
over there as far as the troubles are

796
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,640
concerned

797
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,480
very bad because the jewish people want

798
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,240
to spread out and possess as much land

799
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,799
as possible they want full control they

800
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,480
feel strong now because they do have a

801
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,799
foothold in the holy land so called it

802
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,399
was predicted in your christian bible

803
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:33,840
that they would return to the holy land

804
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,640
huh

805
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,960
times have changed reason and purposes

806
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,880
each race of people desires to dominate

807
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:41,039
other races of people the jewish people

808
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,559
and the arabs have been enemies since

809
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,559
time that i can remember when they came

810
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,080
down out of the himalaya mountains the

811
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:48,159
jewish people or the black people the

812
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,519
crimes they committed everywhere they

813
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,679
went were of an atrocious nature they

814
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,200
attempted to rule by force and

815
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,880
enslavement that is why they were

816
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,480
enslaved when they attempted to attack

817
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,880
and enslaved the babylonians everywhere

818
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,240
they went they have caused terrible

819
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,000
suffering for they have no belief in a

820
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,760
higher self though the rulers in the

821
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,840
beginning such men as moses tried to

822
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,840
bring them this idea the thought lasted

823
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,679
for a period of time and they held them

824
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:11,840
under some control but it is not there

825
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,399
anymore they have no belief in survival

826
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,559
therefore they will have no reason to do

827
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,559
anything to better their condition there

828
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,080
will be much trouble yet between the

829
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,240
jewish people and the arabs india must

830
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,240
lose a great number of her people if she

831
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,720
expects to survive as a nation

832
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,799
she can't feed as many as she has is

833
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,080
that right

834
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:32,480
that is right nor can the world continue

835
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,679
to feed her

836
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,679
this is also true of china

837
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,519
i thought you had said here quite some

838
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,200
time ago though that great numbers of

839
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:40,799
the chinese and the indians would be

840
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,679
annihilated they still will this must

841
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,360
take place if these nations expect to

842
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,039
come back but i do not see them coming

843
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:50,000
back i see these nations dying more and

844
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,789
now i'm in the loop on most anti-semitic

845
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,880
conspiracy theories and sort of bad

846
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,600
historical takes on things but this is

847
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,919
the the first time i think that i've

848
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:06,159
heard that the uh the babylonian

849
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,919
captivity was the result of the ancient

850
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,919
israelites attempting to attack the

851
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,919
babylonians um

852
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:14,720
i'm

853
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,120
if it was a sort of war that led the

854
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,679
enslavement i don't know it

855
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,360
that strikes me as

856
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,360
as kind of uh as kind of wrong but

857
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:27,919
that's the the yad de shiites point of

858
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,799
view of these things and again nothing

859
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:32,559
in his portion of the channeling about

860
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,440
eisenhower and edwards air force base so

861
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,880
why did i go into this political stuff

862
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,480
why didn't i just end it with gerald

863
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,960
light's letters because this you know

864
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,200
and i might have not have done it this

865
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:44,880
way if we hadn't already covered william

866
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:47,600
dudley pally and and sort of teasing out

867
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,799
these um more politically conspiratorial

868
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:53,600
and um you know anti-semitic and

869
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,320
anti-communist and this sort of strand

870
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:58,960
of conspiratorial thought that has some

871
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,240
crossover with the ufo

872
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,880
field and the bsra folks are kind of

873
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,960
tangential to the ufo field again we've

874
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:09,359
got we got like many different venn

875
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:13,280
diagrams going on but um an interesting

876
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:16,720
angle i think so the mead lane letter

877
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:19,919
story sort of percolates and and simmers

878
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,399
in various ufo books during the 1950s

879
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,200
and 1960s and even into the 1970s

880
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,599
usually just presented as a did this

881
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,520
happen we don't really know

882
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,720
sort of thing

883
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:31,599
but

884
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,839
then in the late 1970s or 1980 actually

885
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:38,720
in a book about the roswell incident by

886
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,599
bill moore and charles burlitz we get

887
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,359
the mead lane gerald light

888
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,000
correspondence dredged up again

889
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:49,200
and connected to the supposed crash at

890
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:52,399
roswell and the collection of the alien

891
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:55,679
bodies and the crashed craft so we we've

892
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:58,720
got some venn diagrams overlapping again

893
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,720
this story from the 50s and this new ufo

894
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,720
mythology that is taking shape in the

895
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,680
late 70s and 1980s and will dominate

896
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,640
things

897
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:09,680
into

898
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,880
the 21st century

899
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:15,040
eisenhower however eventually learned of

900
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,640
the rumors of the allegedly crashed

901
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,200
saucer and proceeded to take some action

902
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,359
not surprisingly according to sources as

903
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,440
close to the topic as we can get he

904
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,200
repeatedly encountered a split within

905
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,640
the military establishment on this

906
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,560
matter we can imagine the reasoning

907
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,720
among opponents of declassification it

908
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,320
would be advisable to keep the saucer

909
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,160
incident silent it is supremely

910
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,680
important not just for scientific

911
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,520
interests in extraterrestrials but for

912
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,599
national security any nation that could

913
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,520
figure out how the disks operated and

914
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,280
could duplicate their maneuverability

915
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,480
would have a missile defense and

916
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,640
delivery system inestimably in advance

917
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,560
of the systems presently developed or

918
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,640
even logically contemplated and would

919
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:52,480
therefore be in a position to control

920
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,630
so we're getting elements of what is

921
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,000
going to be

922
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,040
the developing conspiracy theory about

923
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,280
ufos and the government in the 1950s

924
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,640
that eisenhower knew something

925
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,400
eisenhower might have seen something but

926
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,920
there is a split between different

927
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,440
factions of the military and

928
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,680
intelligence worlds that want

929
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,240
different things different levels

930
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,520
of cover-up or disclosure or things

931
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:21,839
along those lines burlitz and more go

932
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,400
into detail with extensive quotations

933
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:26,480
from gerald light's letter and then

934
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,240
discuss its startling implications

935
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,160
assuming that this letter is not a hoax

936
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,760
there are several key points which seem

937
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,599
to emerge as one examines it not the

938
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,200
least of which is the question of who

939
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:39,040
this gerald light might be and what he

940
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,640
was doing at edwards with the three

941
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,880
reasonably well-known figures he names

942
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,720
unfortunately almost nothing is known

943
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,480
about light himself aside from the fact

944
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,640
that mead lane recipient of the letter

945
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,640
described him once in an early bsrf

946
00:36:54,490 --> 00:36:52,400
publication as a gifted and highly

947
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,500
educated writer and lecturer

948
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,320
[Music]

949
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,320
i was going to take burlitz and more to

950
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,640
task a little bit for their we don't

951
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,800
know anything about gerald light cop out

952
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,200
but we really don't know a lot about

953
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,359
gerald light i'm going to put a link in

954
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:09,680
the show notes to an article about

955
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,320
gerald light and the ethereans from

956
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,640
hakan blomquist's

957
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,280
blog i i can never pronounce his name

958
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,119
but he has a very interesting blog that

959
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,200
covers a lot of contact these subjects

960
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,119
and this is a good article that

961
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,760
kind of goes down the gerald light

962
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:27,920
rabbit hole in a way that i'm

963
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,800
not prepared to do so i will definitely

964
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,200
throw a link out there to that so there

965
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,480
things were in the 1980s with eisenhower

966
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,560
possibly going to california to look at

967
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,119
wreckage and then in the late 80s we get

968
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,680
john lear's claims where you have

969
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:45,920
eisenhower going to holloman air force

970
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:48,640
base in the 60s and later he adjusts

971
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,560
this to 1954 at edwards air force base

972
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,200
you get bill cooper basically echoing

973
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,800
lear's claims and adding the wrinkle of

974
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,400
both of these men adding the wrinkle

975
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,480
that eisenhower made a deal with the

976
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,040
aliens we got their technology in

977
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,680
exchange they could mutilate cattle and

978
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:08,800
abduct

979
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,960
humans and then in the mid-1990s we get

980
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,359
a guy named phil schneider who we talked

981
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:17,359
about in our episode on underground

982
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,640
bases

983
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,280
i urge you to get adam go rightly's new

984
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,920
book saucers spooks and kooks for more

985
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,560
on phil schneider but he gave a speech

986
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:28,960
which was heavily circulated where he

987
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,839
gives this treaty an actual name anyway

988
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,720
this all led up to uh

989
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:39,920
later on about six eight years later in

990
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,320
1954

991
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,480
during the eisenhower administration led

992
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:47,839
to a uh interesting treaty

993
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,119
uh called the greater 1954 treaty that

994
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,320
was the alien human treaty

995
00:39:05,670 --> 00:38:55,920
and

996
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:05,680
accurate books were supposedly to be

997
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,119
kept and all this kind of stuff and

998
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,760
of course eventually all that broke down

999
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,119
and

1000
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,839
aliens are notorious for being

1001
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:17,680
liars even greater liars than uh

1002
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:21,359
so-called in quote we humans are

1003
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,640
so

1004
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,720
alien treaties are often

1005
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,599
just

1006
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,440
not even the pieces of paper they're

1007
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,720
written on they're just really kind of

1008
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,760
worthless

1009
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,839
remember that folks alien treaties not

1010
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,200
worth the paper they're printed on

1011
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,160
because the aliens are totally using

1012
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,480
paper so what

1013
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:40,640
phil schneider is doing there i think is

1014
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,760
taking the john lear bill cooper stuff

1015
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,760
and claiming that you know this is his

1016
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:48,320
own original knowledge adding his own

1017
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:51,920
twist to it in some ways the the word

1018
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,200
the griata treaty the name i can't prove

1019
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,240
this um i saw some stuff some documents

1020
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,920
and i sound like i sound like one of

1021
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,839
these guys right i saw some documents

1022
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,040
now but i mean

1023
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,280
like you know things on the internet and

1024
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,200
i have a feeling at some point somebody

1025
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:09,359
called this the granada treaty like

1026
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,720
granada an actual place and i've seen

1027
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,560
copies of this where it's clearly

1028
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,359
there's a typo and grieda sort of look

1029
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,880
with the n missing from granada is used

1030
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,880
in a document and i think schneider sort

1031
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,119
of latched on to this typo and thought

1032
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:26,880
this was the real name i can't prove

1033
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,599
that that that's what happened

1034
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:31,040
but um

1035
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,640
i i think it was so in february 2004 for

1036
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,440
the 50th anniversary of the uh the

1037
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,000
supposed meeting between eisenhower and

1038
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,119
the aliens at edwards the washington

1039
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:45,680
post did a story highlighting the

1040
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,119
theories of michael sala who

1041
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,119
you might know as one of the leading

1042
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,000
exponents of exopolitics in fact i think

1043
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,240
he claims to have coined the term

1044
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,599
exo politics and and his theories about

1045
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,920
uh about eisenhower and they're sort of

1046
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,480
looking at salah's ideas about this

1047
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,319
meeting which are sort of a mix of

1048
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,480
everything that had come before about

1049
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:10,880
the meeting or almost everything as

1050
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,319
we'll see and some of his own ideas but

1051
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,640
they also take a more balanced view

1052
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,960
they're not just giving salah a platform

1053
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,040
to talk about eisenhower at edwards air

1054
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,720
force base because there's also another

1055
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,560
side of the story the side of the story

1056
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:27,040
that what eisenhower was doing that

1057
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,560
night in california when he was

1058
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,000
supposedly

1059
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,560
meeting with aliens was that it's what

1060
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:34,960
was claimed later at the time

1061
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:37,520
that he was having some dental work done

1062
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,000
of course the associated press sent out

1063
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,160
accidentally sent out supposedly a hoax

1064
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:45,119
story that ike was dead um which is kind

1065
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,400
of funny

1066
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,720
fake news right but the washington post

1067
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,599
is taking a balanced approach to this

1068
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,280
story

1069
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,359
the ike met with et's theory is advanced

1070
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,200
by michael sala a former american

1071
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,880
university professor who now runs the

1072
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,040
peace ambassador program at au's center

1073
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,200
for global peace the iquent to the

1074
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,200
dentist theory is advanced by the folks

1075
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,119
at the dwight d eisenhower library in

1076
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,160
abilene kansas and by james m mixon a

1077
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:12,079
dentist professor of dentistry and

1078
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,240
historian of presidential dental work

1079
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,560
i've often wondered how one gets to be a

1080
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:21,119
historian of presidential dental work i

1081
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:22,240
think that's

1082
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,119
pretty uh pretty interesting so the

1083
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,640
washington post story says that there

1084
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,400
are some facts that are absolutely part

1085
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,160
of the record eisenhower went to palm

1086
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,240
springs on a golf vacation in february

1087
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,280
1954 on the night of the 20th after

1088
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,920
dinner he made an unscheduled departure

1089
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,599
from the ranch where he was staying the

1090
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,280
next morning he was at church in los

1091
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,920
angeles and his spokesman said that ike

1092
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,520
had visited the dentist the previous

1093
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:47,839
night now because of supposedly some

1094
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,280
records missing from the eisenhower

1095
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,040
papers or no mention of this in the

1096
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,359
eisenhower papers when supposedly every

1097
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:57,119
little thing a president ever does is

1098
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,400
written down

1099
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,200
people have ceased on this as

1100
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,119
evidence that he was doing something

1101
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:05,119
secret and if he was doing something

1102
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,400
secret on the same night that he

1103
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,720
supposedly met with aliens then he must

1104
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,280
have met with aliens so the post then

1105
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,480
goes on to

1106
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,280
explain who salah is and what his views

1107
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,599
of the situation are

1108
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,520
salah who has a phd in government from

1109
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,880
the university of queensland in his

1110
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:23,119
native australia doesn't believe it he

1111
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,480
figures the dentist trip was just a

1112
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,400
cover story he believes ike went to

1113
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,000
edwards air force base where he met with

1114
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,160
two et's with white hair pale blue eyes

1115
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,319
and colorless lips these aliens

1116
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,640
nicknamed nordics in ufo circles because

1117
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,640
they resemble scandinavian humans

1118
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,160
traveled to edwards from another solar

1119
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,560
system in a flying saucer and salla says

1120
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,160
they spoke to eisenhower there was

1121
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,160
telepathic communication says salah as

1122
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,760
he sits in his suburban falls church

1123
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:47,040
living room it's as though you're

1124
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:48,400
hearing a person but they're not

1125
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:49,440
speaking

1126
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,720
the nordics offered to share their

1127
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,560
superior technology and their spiritual

1128
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,240
wisdom with ike if he would agree to

1129
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,640
eliminate america's nuclear weapons they

1130
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,160
were afraid we might blow up some of our

1131
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,000
nuclear technology salus says and

1132
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,599
apparently that does something to time

1133
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,200
and space and impacts on

1134
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,599
extraterrestrial races on other planets

1135
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,680
ike declined the et's offer because he

1136
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,599
did not want to give up the nukes

1137
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:12,000
sometime later in 1954 ike reached a

1138
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:13,040
deal with another race of

1139
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,720
extraterrestrials known as the grays

1140
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,240
allowing them to capture earthling

1141
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,520
cattle and humans for medical

1142
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,359
experiments provided that they returned

1143
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:21,839
the humans safely home since then salla

1144
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,160
says the greys have kidnapped millions

1145
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,390
this is just the same story rewarmed

1146
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,200
from lear and cooper with

1147
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,880
a little bit of a twist that there are

1148
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,880
two different alien races one more

1149
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,520
friendly than the other this is the

1150
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,720
exopolitics way right you remember when

1151
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,720
we talked about richard boylan back in

1152
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,319
the day there's a whole galaxy

1153
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,720
federation of different of different

1154
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,359
groups that are out there now beginning

1155
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:52,640
in the 1980s the eisenhower library in

1156
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,000
abilene kansas started getting so many

1157
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:58,800
requests about this supposed meeting

1158
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:01,760
between ike and the aliens that they had

1159
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,640
to sort of assign a person to

1160
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:07,040
um to to look at those things his name

1161
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,720
is herb pancratz i think that's how you

1162
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,480
pronounce it and he specialized in

1163
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,079
transportation and and then they said

1164
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:16,000
well you're the transportation guy ike's

1165
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,680
a big transportation guy the the

1166
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,960
interstate highway system and things

1167
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,400
like that so they just sort of added

1168
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,280
ufos to his portfolio of things he was

1169
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,599
paying attention to and he explained to

1170
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:28,400
the post what he thought was interesting

1171
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:32,079
about these stories over the years it's

1172
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,359
interesting how these stories have

1173
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,280
changed pancreas noted in an email

1174
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,560
initially the accounts claimed the

1175
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:38,079
president made a secret trip to edwards

1176
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,520
air force base to view the remains of

1177
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,119
aliens who'd crashed at roswell new

1178
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,839
mexico in 1947. later stories then

1179
00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:45,280
claimed he had actually visited with

1180
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,280
live aliens

1181
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,240
[Music]

1182
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,680
so that's what the archivist finds

1183
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:51,040
interesting what i find interesting is

1184
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,880
that somehow some when somewhere i think

1185
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,640
around the mid 90s when phil schneider

1186
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,960
began telling the story gerald light

1187
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,560
kind of disappears from the scene

1188
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,560
doesn't he you see references to gerald

1189
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,880
light in historical overviews of the

1190
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,680
eisenhower edwards phenomenon like this

1191
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,000
like an article from magonia magazine by

1192
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,800
curtis peeples who wrote the fairly good

1193
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,200
book watch the skies several years ago

1194
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,119
i'll include a link to that article in

1195
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,319
the show notes as well but as far as the

1196
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,839
places where there are claims that

1197
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,480
eisenhower actually met with aliens

1198
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,720
you don't see light out there anymore

1199
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,480
and another connection that just

1200
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:30,160
occurred to me as i was working on this

1201
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,280
and i don't know why it didn't occur to

1202
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,920
me before i wonder to what degree the

1203
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,640
whole narrative of eisenhower at one

1204
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,280
point turning down an offer of help from

1205
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,760
the aliens for one reason or another to

1206
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,160
what degree was that lifted from frank

1207
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,040
strange's valiant thor stories where

1208
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,040
eisenhower and nixon

1209
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:51,680
refused alien help in reforming

1210
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,319
america's economic system because they

1211
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,359
didn't want it to affect the economic

1212
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,440
system if you'll remember that from our

1213
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,839
valiant thor episode but now gerald

1214
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:04,319
light seems to have vanished from the

1215
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,119
scene so the article goes on to talk

1216
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,280
about the the dental history of

1217
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,560
eisenhower and then the fact that

1218
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,319
there's an article that talks about his

1219
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,720
many dental problems including the one

1220
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,040
uh broken it was a broken crown that he

1221
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,800
suffered when he was in palm springs not

1222
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,119
meeting with aliens there's an article a

1223
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,960
history of dwight d eisenhower's oral

1224
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,040
health published in the november 95

1225
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:27,520
issue of the bulletin of dental history

1226
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:30,640
now they did reach out to the family

1227
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,520
they uh talked to eisenhower's son john

1228
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,520
s d eisenhower

1229
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,440
retired army general and author of

1230
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,480
several books on history including i

1231
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:42,559
think my favorite history of the mexican

1232
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,599
war so far from god which is a really

1233
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,440
good history of the mexican war

1234
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:49,680
they reached out via email to

1235
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,240
retired general eisenhower and asked if

1236
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,000
his father had ever mentioned meeting

1237
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,880
with aliens and eisenhower had this

1238
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,880
response

1239
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,349
and that was the entirety of the

1240
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,960
statement so

1241
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,800
as we've seen or what we've seen is that

1242
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,520
at some point gerald light vanishes from

1243
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:12,160
the scene here and the people who claim

1244
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,119
this

1245
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,319
meeting are either reporting what later

1246
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,400
people have claimed people like john

1247
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,240
lear bill cooper although you never hear

1248
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,079
those names because those names have to

1249
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,319
a degree been discredited especially

1250
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,119
cooper in many circles but you also hear

1251
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,119
from whistleblowers who sometimes say

1252
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,640
that they have seen papers about this

1253
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,720
or experienced it themselves people like

1254
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,880
schneider but we also have other

1255
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,359
whistleblowers who i've had never heard

1256
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:41,040
of until i started googling around

1257
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,880
including henry w mcelroy jr who was a

1258
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,200
state representative from new hampshire

1259
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:49,839
who is also an eisenhower alien

1260
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,559
whistleblower the document i saw

1261
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,480
was an official brief

1262
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,599
to president eisenhower

1263
00:49:03,750 --> 00:48:59,920
to the best of my memory

1264
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,760
this brief was pervaded with a sense of

1265
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,280
hope

1266
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,640
and it informed president eisenhower

1267
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,200
of the continued presence

1268
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:13,839
of extraterrestrial beings

1269
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,309
the brief seemed to indicate that a

1270
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:23,040
meeting between the president and some

1271
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,559
of these visitors

1272
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,720
could be arranged

1273
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:28,800
as appropriate

1274
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:34,470
the tone of the brief indicated to me

1275
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:38,720
that there was no need for concern

1276
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,000
since these visitors were in no way

1277
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:44,960
causing any harm

1278
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,720
or had any intentions whatsoever

1279
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,040
of causing any disruption

1280
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:56,309
or in the future

1281
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,319
while i can't verify the times or places

1282
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,200
or that any meeting or meetings occurred

1283
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:05,440
directly between eisenhower and these

1284
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:11,910
because of his optimism in his farewell

1285
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:15,040
address in 1961

1286
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:23,589
indeed meet with these extraterrestrial

1287
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,839
off-world

1288
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,720
astronauts

1289
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,119
so somebody showed this poor guy a copy

1290
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:31,040
of the eisenhower briefing document

1291
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,319
that's been floating around since the

1292
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,920
1980s which we're probably going to

1293
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:35,680
cover on an episode where we talk about

1294
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,040
mj12 if i decide to wade into that it'll

1295
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,520
pro if you hear an episode about mj 12

1296
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,359
much like if i ever do an episode on

1297
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,800
roswell you'll know the end is near

1298
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,119
because i really don't want to wade into

1299
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,200
that but mcilroy isn't the only

1300
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,359
whistleblower there's one who's very

1301
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,000
very important and significant and that

1302
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,640
is a woman named laura eisenhower that's

1303
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,040
right eisenhower she is president

1304
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,680
eisenhower's great granddaughter and

1305
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:04,079
some youtubers reached out to her for

1306
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,760
her opinion on what happened in 1954.

1307
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,680
there's a widespread rumor in ufology

1308
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,599
circles that i've always been curious

1309
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,520
about it's believed that president

1310
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:15,599
dwight d eisenhower signed a peace

1311
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,200
treaty with an alien race in 1954 that

1312
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,440
might have allowed for human abductions

1313
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,280
i mean if this is true

1314
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:26,000
it would be an explosive revelation so

1315
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,599
i'm going to continue my investigation

1316
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,839
by speaking with laura eisenhower

1317
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:31,280
president eisenhower's great

1318
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,390
hi there

1319
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,480
hey laura how's it going pretty good how

1320
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,880
are you good good hey thank you for

1321
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,079
meeting with me

1322
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:43,920
i've heard a lot about

1323
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:46,720
some some rumors that i'm hoping you can

1324
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,680
either confirm or deny for me i'm just

1325
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,760
gonna come right out and ask you

1326
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,119
do you believe that your

1327
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:56,160
great-grandfather dwight d eisenhower

1328
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,510
it's a true story

1329
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,599
what i've learned about eisenhower's

1330
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,920
relationship to extraterrestrial beings

1331
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:09,839
and e.t government treaties is that

1332
00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:12,880
supposedly in 1954 there was a meeting

1333
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,860
at edwards air force base right

1334
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,240
[Music]

1335
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,720
they seemed to have

1336
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,480
diplomatic intention

1337
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,160
the treaties had to do with bartering

1338
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,559
exchanges of planetary goods uh natural

1339
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,280
resources elements and compounds

1340
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,680
and it was in exchange for like things

1341
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:32,400
like abduction

1342
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,440
why would they want to abduct humans

1343
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:37,440
what are they doing with that but they

1344
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:38,240
need

1345
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,040
our dna we have a treasure of dna that

1346
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,280
is basically a living library

1347
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,280
and yes we will have a laura eisenhower

1348
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,920
episode at some point because she is a

1349
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,559
fascinating person but here she's kind

1350
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,480
of just reiterating the same stories

1351
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:56,319
that have been floating around

1352
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,480
since the late 1980s 1987 88 or so with

1353
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,319
john lear and that's the thing about

1354
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:04,960
eisenhower at edwards

1355
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,240
is that the initial letter from light to

1356
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,960
mead didn't have a lot of detail and so

1357
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,680
this detail gets filled in over the

1358
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,920
years and it gets appropriated

1359
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,240
by for example moore and burlitz into

1360
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,440
being part of the roswell experience and

1361
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,000
lear and cooper mix up which air base

1362
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,920
they're talking about at various times

1363
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,400
and it just keeps going i think it's a

1364
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,119
fascinating story the magonia article i

1365
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,440
mentioned goes into it in in a more

1366
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,599
textual way because it's an article not

1367
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:38,400
a podcast and um it's wonderful because

1368
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,520
curtis peoples did what i always sort of

1369
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,359
thought about doing but now i don't have

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to write some sort of massive article

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about eisenhower at edwards because it's

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been done and i don't have to do another

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podcast episode about it because it's

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been done here as well

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